2013 QX56 - Intermittent Start Issue

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We have a 2013 QX56 that we purchased in 2018. This has been a great car and we take good care of it ie all fluids changed regularly, anything makes a sound gets fixed etc...

We noticed within the first year and every year since that this car eats batteries (On battery 5 since 2018). Meaning, within a year the battery no longer has cranking amps and needs to be replaced. I am not sure if this is related to the starting issue or not - but randomly, could be 6 months, could be a week - but ALWAYS when my wife has the car with the kids she gets stranded...the car just wont start. Most times, I can get it to either start itself (after multiple attempts of cycling through start acc and off) or jump it to get it started. This all depends on the dome lights inside - sometimes they are very dim or completely out and I know it is battery related. Other times when the lights are bright, I know something else is going on such as going through the security protocol of closing all doors unlocked, putting the key in the door to lock, then locking with the fob, then unlocking with the fob and getting in and starting - sometimes this works and is probably something to the degree of my kids flipping the locks in the backseat to get out instead of waiting for my wife to unlock. However, 2 days ago it wouldnt start and the yellow light was on for the key. I changed the battery in the key fob and that didnt help but the car wouldnt even try to turn over. So I pulled the battery terminal off and waited 30 seconds and put it back on which allowed the starter to at least engage - I then jumped the car and took it immediately to Infinity.

We had Infinity run a draw test overnight last night and they said nothing is drawing power on the car when it is off. I initially thought was the starter was sounding worn out so I replaced that 3 weeks ago - 2 days ago was the first instance of the no start since. Infinity could not find any issues and just said maybe it was related to the intelligent charging feature and said sometimes when these cars get older that system acts up - so they disabled it. That was all Infinity could figure out - just a hunch.

So to sum it up - I am having a random no start issue sometimes battery related, sometimes not. There is no draw on the battery and now the intelligent charging system has been turned off. The starter is new and the battery is as well. I swear I am losing my mind trying to figure this out - please help!
 
We noticed within the first year and every year since that this car eats batteries

the above thread is worth a read. there is a sensor on the negative battery terminal that prevents the alternator from outputting the proper current. this is a "feature" , but it causes many a dead battery. smoke over the thread and read about the modification to defeat this. proceed with the mod if you feel comfy about it (many have).
 
You should be thankful the dealership disabled that so-called “intelligent” charging system. Some dealerships completely ignore the fact or have no clue. Now, the alternator will function traditionally, the battery will stay healthy and eliminate the problems related to the “intelligent” charging system.
 
Thanks for the comments - I have been reading a lot about this "intelligent" charging system...I cant figure out why this would even installed on these cars? If the alternator doesnt start until the car has been driven 8 miles then over the life of the car (especially with moms with kids) you would end up killing batteries yearly...which is exactly what we have been doing.
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You seem pretty on top of this, but two things I've encountered:
1) FOB battery was new, but had a 'bitter coating' to prevent kids from putting in their mouth. It wasn't making good contact in the FOB. But your dash would squawk about no key, so I assume this isn't it.
2) Negative battery terminal was a little loose and did the intermittent start thing. So make sure you have good, tight contacts at the posts.
 
Thanks for the thoughts - I checked the fob battery because I have seen that before. The terminals being tight I did find they were a hair loose from advance replacing the battery for my wife - they are right now. Hopefully a combination of everything will be the fix. Thanks again!
 
Thanks for the comments - I have been reading a lot about this "intelligent" charging system...I cant figure out why this would even installed on these cars? If the alternator doesnt start until the car has been driven 8 miles then over the life of the car (especially with moms with kids) you would end up killing batteries yearly...which is exactly what we have been doing.
This was done in order to gain miles per gallon, maybe 1 mpg if that. Strange that Nissan engineers couldn't get it right because other manufacturers utilizes similar systems. My wife's '18 LR Discovery has one and it functions without any deterioration to the battery.

But this isn't even icing on the cake because on the 17-up Z62s, these trucks no longer have a traditional thermostat/cooling system either. It was replaced with an ECM controlled "water valve assembly" that was designed to make the trucks run more efficient.... just like the intelligent charging system.
 
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